What I’ve learned building my first company

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I found this article sitting in my Drafts today…who knows why I never published it, but here we go! I wrote it in 2018.

Be careful: I did not do any proofreading…because I might end up not publishing it again!

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Last December was the end of an era for us: my former partners and I decided to shut down our former company and to stop following HostingTalk.it. I haven’t been involved in that for a few years now as I went fulltime building Cloud Academy.

I have been procrastinating on writing a final article on the website for a few weeks now, and while I try to put together my thoughts, I wanted to share what I learned with that experience.

We registered HostingTalk.it in February 2006!

I owe a lot to HostingTalk.it, it helped me achieve much more I could have expected when we started it. Back in those days, I didn’t know anything about startups, venture capital, Silicon Valley etc. In fact, I didn’t know English at all! The web was a very different place 12 years ago, Facebook was just getting started and blogs were still a big thing. I was finishing my high school in Italy and spending most of my time in front of a computer, building things, experimenting, sometimes just wasting time and having fun.

Why HostingTalk.it

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In 2012 we have incorporated WeTalk Group SRL, the company managing HostingTalk.it. That was a big move for us but HostingTalk was born years before, in 2006!

We started HostingTalk.it (we have always called it “HT“) for the best reason you can have to start a business: to solve a problem we had ourselves. Just a few months before launching HT, Luca and I were spending our nights on building a platform to host your own blog (it was called IlBlog.it). Based on the first alpha (!!) of WPMU (WordPress Multi-User) and hosted on one of the first virtual private servers available in the Italian market around 2004/2005. It was a mess, the site was continuously crashing and we didn’t know what to do. We had no money and definitely no idea of how to manage a Linux server. Even with that, we ended up having about 5000 blogs on the platform and we learned a lot about Google AdSense, interacting with users and the challenges of offering something for free.

Once we sold that platform, we felt we had a lot of fun and we wanted to tackle something new. We knew we could have done much more with that platform but our poor knowledge about web hosting solutions and servers ultimately didn’t allow us to develop it to the next level. Also, we felt like we took the wrong path deciding to build a free service and trying to make money just out of Google AdSense. We didn’t have much money and, to be honest, we were reluctant to hire external consultants or people to do it.

We loved working on websites and platforms and we started thinking about what was next for us. We ended up building a community for people that had our same issue: understand more about web solutions to host websites and build online businesses.

We had a few discussions about the name, remember talking about “hostingforum.it” and finally, we ended with “HostingTalk.it”, mostly inspired by “webhostingtalk.com”, a big community in the US. The initial community we built attracted several professionals from the webhosting industry. From there, we built a news section, reviews, business services and much more, transforming a small community in a business.

What I have learned with HostingTalk.it

A lot, it would be too much to list everything we went through, but I would like to underline a few lessons that proved to be critical in the next years building my entrepreneurial skills. Most importantly, I became aware of the importance of a few lessons really just years later, thinking about them in a much different context.

All the points are reminders to myself. They don’t necessarily work for everyone and I want to make sure, that from time to time, I can come back here and immediately remember what I already know is wrong.

Building a business is about selling a product. The sooner the better.

The first contract we closed with HostingTalk.it was worth 120 Euros! Holy cow! We couldn’t believe someone was buying our product! We didn’t know exactly what we were doing, we knew that we didn’t want to run Hostingtalk.it as a free platform as we did with other websites before. It turned out to be a critical lesson.

As an entrepreneur, you need to be focused on building something people want to buy. As soon as you have an MVP, a tool that works or just 10% of the product you would like to have, try to sell it. It doesn’t matter how bad you feel about it, how ugly it is, try to sell it to someone and learn as much as you can about it.

The sooner you start selling your product, the sooner you learn how to expand and build more of it. You need paying customers because they will give you a real and honest feedback and that will help you like nothing else does. The temptation of giving all of that away for free is very common: people that are not paying for your products will not give you a feedback as valuable as the one of your paying customers and ultimately it will be hard for you to understand if you are building something people want.

Bootstrapping your business is critical 

I didn’t know this at the time, but this became very clear to me several years later while I was raising money for Cloud Academy in Silicon Valley. Our first angel investor was a very successful entrepreneur that built several businesses in the US. One day while we were talking about raising money, he told something that stuck with me since then: “Stefano, the moment you will have $10M in the bank you will just act in a different way. Everything will be feasible, you will spend 10K on this and that, just because it’s only 10k and you will lose focus on what really matters.“. Bootstrapping forces you to focus on what really matters for your business to keep it alive. Having limited resources and being extremely frugal is actually a great condition to create a successful business: you will focus only on what really matters and forget about every other possible distraction.

With HostingTalk.it this was exactly the case. We were young, brutally inexperienced and we did know about one and one only way to build a business: sell something and invest that money to build more. It worked extremely well and it’s been a key lesson for me since then on starting a new business.

Don’t be afraid to ask for what you want

This is hard and something I still remind myself today. Sometimes asking is the best way to get things. Around 2007 I wanted to have Aruba.it (one of the biggest European hosting providers) as a customer. I reached out to their CEO and offered to visit him to sell our services to him. He invited us, showed us the company, the data center and finally told us “sorry guys, we are not buying your services now, but thank you for the visit”. It took other 2 years to land them as customers.

This lesson is still something I have to remind myself constantly. It’s easy to see difficulties, to see why “he will never reply” or “they will never pay this much for our product“. Every time I ended up taking that risk, putting aside all my concerns and fears, I found an opportunity. Don’t get me wrong, it still requires a lot of work, but you will find it incredible once those people and opportunities will finally materialize.

Hire people that are 10 times better than you. Really.

Potentially our biggest mistake and the one I couldn’t see. We didn’t look for people better than us. In fact, we didn’t consider that. Hiring people better than you is just a fundamental step to build your business. If you don’t do it, you will end up with a bunch of people that are not helpful for the business and that, at the end, will just make it mediocre. Your job as an entrepreneur is to find people 10 times better than you and put them in charge of things you are not good at, you don’t like or you simply don’t have time for.

Hiring great people will have a strong consequence on your business: they will bring other strong and even better people. You will be impressed by how great that is for your business.

Build a product, not a consulting service

At HostingTalk.it we ended up building more a consulting company than a product one. We compromised on several things and we missed a big opportunity experimenting with more products. Our revenues were coming from advertising and consulting projects for web hosting companies. We were not really able to move on and we ended up building something that couldn’t scale and was not that exciting. We loved building products and communities, but we hated consulting.

A product will open more opportunities, will challenge you on finding a product market fit, but when you do you will simply love that and you will spend days and days building on top of it.

Build a global business and think big from the start

I have this funny picture in mind of myself coming home from school, having a quick lunch with my parents and rushing to my computer picking up an English dictionary and translating articles for our website. I was 16/17 and I couldn’t speak a word of English! Part of that was me being just a very young student with no clue about the world, another part was having just a tremendous relationship with my English teacher back then.

Years later, thinking about that always gives me a smile. HostingTalk.it could have been a very global business, writing that in English from day 0 would have opened so many more opportunities for us and today we would be in a very different place.

Instead, we focused on the Italian market and we built something that, by design, couldn’t become big. Today there is no reason why you shouldn’t target a global audience and a global market, no matter the type of product you are building. It will make your business bigger and not constrained by the conditions and limitations of a single market or nation.

Believe in yourself, no one else will do that for you

The big advice everyone should tell you right there when you start. The biggest challenge building something and scaling that will be dealing with your own psychology. You will feel in charge of the world some days and you will feel miserable for a lot more days.

Entrepreneurs usually get a ton of suggestions and advice. Being able to consider them and still make your own decision is a key, vital, aspect.

It can happen for a big number of reasons:

  • People are telling you that you should things differently
  • Your competitor is running faster than you, with new features, products. How can you win?

Lessons from the US

I flew to San Francisco for the first time exactly 13 years ago. In 2012 I simply decided to spend a month in the city and discover the US for the first time. I remember getting out of the Montgomery bart station and feeling like I was in a new world. 

Back then I was running my very first company, WeTalk. I had built this tech community in Italy called HostingTalk when I was 19 and tried to transform that into a business selling to all the Italian ISPs and building a professional community for people interested in webhosting, domain names and servers.

While I was lucky to have my business, completely bootstrapped and paying me a good salary, I felt I needed something else. It’s difficult to remember now what it was exactly, but I remember going to my office and thinking “What will be different today?”. Part of that was the frustration of having built a business in Italy for Italian companies. It felt like a cage after a few years. 

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Stanford is still one of the most inspiring places in the US. I had the pleasure to attend a class about entrepreneurship deliver by a close friend of mine.

Since 2012 I came back to the US hundreds of times, I’ve built a business here (Cloud Academy, the brand got shut down in 2024 after I sold it to a PE firm – you know, big mistakes give you bigger learnings). I lived in SF for a few years and learned a lot from everyone I met. Customers, friends, colleagues. It changed me in so many ways.

I am currently back to open the US market for Anthropos and I was just reflecting on what makes the US so special for people building things. It would be a mistake to think that’s Silicon Valley. 

My experience working with americans is that a lot of what I am saying here it’s in their culture and it applies to most of them. Silicon Valley is simply where all of that gets to another level.

Embedding entrepreneurship into the society

People build things, they quit jobs to try to build their venture, they connect entrepreneurs to people and jump into things taking risks. 

I met an almost retired highschool teacher two days ago. He taught business for 23 years. They have a special class where students get to understand differenet businesses, how they get built and they simulate creating one themselves. My friend Parsa was his student back then. Today he runs a company.

I believe this would be the easiest and most effective way to build more companies in Europe and in Italy: teach people what it means to build a company, why it’s cool and it can be great for the society. Yes, Europe is the land of bureaucracy, but that’s a problem for another day. Entrepreneurs will find their way no matter what. 

Connections, feedback and hard work

Early on I thought people were simply kind with me. They connected me with their contacts, made intros and sponsored me in ways that felt confusing to me at first. Why are they doing this with me? What do they want in exchange?

Yesterday night I pitched 20+ people and got great feedback for Anthropos and our AI Simulations. It felt so great.  

The lesson learned is that this is the powerful secret of a culture that loves to connect and help entrepreneurs. Why? Because there is respect for people building things and everyone wants them to succeed. They know they will create jobs, wealth and prosperity. 

Trip to NYC
This trip I’ve been traveling to NY to meet a new partner (this is a beautiful take of Colorado mountains I guess while flying from SF). He found us online about a year ago and reached out of the blue wanting to learn more about our AI Simulations at Anthropos.

I know a lot of my European friends look at this as pure capitalism and they say that with a bit of reluctance. We should put that thought to bed once and for all and stop chasing an ideology that gave us countless rules for every aspect of our lives from leaders that had no problem watching our continent being at the bottom of every ranking and still celebrating their lack of pragmatism with new regulations. Investing in entrepreneurship works, look at where the US are today and where the EU is. Work-life balance is so better in Europe, but who will pay our pensions? Are we sure that a comfortable life that incentivize taking no risks will give us a bright future?

Who will explain to our kids that while the world was inventing the future of work with AI our top leaders were regulating cookies on websites with our approval?

The Mongolian BBQ in Mountain View – back in 2014 I spent more than a year in Mountain View because of 500Startups (Cloud Academy was selected in Batch 11). The team and I used to come here a lot on weekends. Not a fancy place but a special one for me!

A few months back someone told me what we don’t need to work harder (while I was asking for that), but smarter. It’s the classic BS I hear in Europe. It comes from the same problem. Hard work is not celebrated, it’s something you report to your HR team. 

It’s easy to say that there is more capital here. It’s true but that’s a consequence. Entrepreneurship is built in the fabric of the US society, it’s celebrated and taught in school. That is the difference. 

Is it too late for Europe?

When I mention what I do in Switzerland (and Italy) people think of me as someone that is likely rich and works a few hours per day. It’s a cultural thing. Europe doesn’t love entrepreneurs and even less do Italians.

I understand why they think that, it’s what they taught us. But in the era of YouTube and AI, where you can learn whatever you want from the best people in the world, it’s time to put an end to this way of thinking. It’s not doing us any good, is it?

I always hope people will be more in favor of rebelling to another stupid regulation or law Bruxelles decides to impose us. I always hope they will simply ignore that and focus on building. I am confident it will start happening for young people and they will break this system. I simply hope it will not be too late. History taught us that it takes centuries to recover for such mistakes.

The younger Stefano that was building Cloud Academy 13 years ago today feels a lot more tired typing this while jumping from one flight to another, from a meeting to a call. But nonetheless I cannot help myself but still feel amazed by the drive and ability of America to help entrepreneurs build the future. We have lots to learn. 

Stefano

Founders and private equity

Companies are usually the reflection of their founders. They have their virtues, their principles and their way of doing things. They obviously inherit their personality, bad or good. 

Companies are usually the reflection of their founders. They have their virtues, their principles and their way of doing things. They obviously inherit their personality, bad or good. 

When you remove the founders, you lose it all. And with that, most of the times you lose the reason why that company was successful in the first place. Most companies never recover and they simply go on to become zoombies. Mediocre products, unmotivated teams and flat revenues. 

If you are new to this world, you might ask “why are founders so critical?”. There are many reasons, but the only two that matter are: because they have the gut to follow their instincts and they are the most knowleadgeable about their business, industry and market. 

When founders are in charge and have commitment, they solve problems no other executives will ever solve and they create products that you will never have without them. 

Why private equity doesn’t work for founders

Because in PE there is no appetite for risk. Zero. Nada. 

There is no appetite for new products that are working just in the founders’ mind and little interest in waiting months or years to test things out. Founders are visionaries, they are stubborn, sometimes arrogant but willing to take big bets. PE is not like that and the people you work with have never “lived” or “built” a company. They come from great business schools and have financial knowledge.

Most importantly, your vision, your intuition and everything else isn’t of interest to them. Your company is a spreadsheet and ebit is the only thing that matters.

This is why you often hear how bad it is PE for tech companies and for their founders. Tech is about innovation, bets and creating something that doesn’t exist yet. It’s not what private equity is about, it’s actually the opposite.

Sometimes it works, but it rarely works keeping founders at the helm. Founders can make a ton of money with PE (nowadays, unfortunately, that’s often the only exit strategy), but they rarely maintain their companies or stay there for long. 

A well balanced read about PE for founders: https://www.saastr.com/rise-private-equity-saas-gift-founders/

5 learnings building Cloud Academy for 10+ years

I promised myself I would have tried to list down learnings from my 10 years building Cloud Academy, my previous company where I was CEO and co-founder. I left the company in September 2022.

I will start with some that I’ve been thinking about a lot. I will start today and hopefully I will add some more over time.

  1. Everything starts small, everything
  2. Trust the compounding effecft
  3. You can’t work with mediocre people
  4. You shouldn’t do what others do
  5. Demand customer obsession from your team

1. Everything starts small, everything

Like any business, we started small. This is something I keep reminding myself years later: every company starts small. When I drive on the highway I love to look at the many companies you see and ask myself how to they got there. How did they become a 100, 1000, 10000+ people company? They started small, with one or two founders and an idea. Even the biggest business in the world started there.

It’s something I really strive to remind myself because it motivates me and it gives me hope. Building a business takes 10+ years and everyone started small. It’s possible, things will grow and change as time passes.

2. Trust the compounding effect

I wish someone explained this to me 20 years ago. The compounding effect is one of the most impressive things you can experience in life. While building a business you should remind yourself of the power of compounding. If you write 2-3 articles about your product every day, for 10 years, you will likely achieve millions of visits and those articles will rank in the first page of Google. The same happens with everything for your product: that could be a newsletter, building an audience or adding features.

Do that every day. The first month you will feel bad, like you are going nowhere. After 12 months things will be slightly better and you will see the first results but you will still doubt yourself from time to time. When you do that for 10 years, every single week, you will be amazed by how much progress you made. It happened and you almost did not notice it. We did that on several things at Cloud Academy, some more than others but every time we have been consistent with that, results have been impressive.

Entrepreneurs that are incredibly dedicated and consistent in their execution always go far. It’s just a question of time. Whenever I find myself starting something new I like to think about the compounding effect of repeating that for 2-3-5 years and the results that it will create. My day immediately gets better and I find the right motivation to keep going.

3. You can’t work with mediocre people

Like every entrepreneur I used to try to make everything work. It’s a good principle and it works with almost everything assuming you have time: you can try and try again until it works. But it doesn’t work with mediocre people. If you are working with someone that is mediocre, it will be almost impossible to change that and your business will ultimately suffer. Your best people will leave when someone mediocre is in power and sometimes even when that person is just part of the team.

Get rid of mediocre people as soon as possible. It’s better not to be able to do something that having someone mediocre executing on it.

There is not much else to say on this point mostly because there is no solution to this problem if not letting mediocre people go!

4. You shouldn’t do what others do

What I mean with this is the following: don’t do what everyone else in your space does (in terms of software, product, marketing, sales playbook, you name it) because you think they are winning. You don’t know that, you are just looking at the final results (sometimes with bias) and don’t know why they are doing that! Great companies are created when people stop following what everyone else does and start creating something new, without knowing what will happen. A similar principle applies to competitors.

In these 10 years I’ve worked with brilliant people that could see the future, constantly taking risks and innovating, but also with people that spent 30 years in their industry trying to do whatever their competitors would do, always fearful of trying something that was not sustained by market research and tons of data. In the end, the latter always lost. They got beaten by competitors and by smaller companies that did not have any fear of trying something new. Most importantly: they got defeated without seeing that coming. When they realized that, it was simply too late.

As entrepreneurs it’s difficult sometimes to trust ourselves but it’s important to have the courage of trying something new. Build software that doesn’t work like every other software in your space and simply ignore how everyone else had done that until now. It could be a business model, it could be your marketing strategy or your product. Do something unique, that others are not doing. If you succeed, it will give you a competitive advantage that is difficult to achieve otherwise.

At Cloud Academy we have built enterprise software that looked very different from our competitors. We did not even look at some of them and we created functionalities and features that were considered “useless” in our industry. It took us quite a lot of time, but those features became incredibly powerful and customers would pick us because we were different.

We couldn’t have done any of that listening to people that told us to follow the “rules” and do what the market was expecting us to do.

5. Demand customer obsession from your team

We could have done better here. It’s a learning I really try to keep in mind. The moment your engineers don’t care about your customers’ issues anymore, you are in trouble.

Everyone likes to say they are customer obsessed but it’s difficult to see that in action and even more difficult to make it happen in your organization. Your team needs to be reminded every day that customers are their #1 priority. Ideally you need to have strong rules in place to make sure everyone takes care of customers and does that quickly, always with a smile. I can’t think of a better combination to grow your business: customer obsession + sense of urgency.

Looking back I would have loved to do more on this matter. Your customer support and success team should be measure on speed and ability to really be obsessed by helping customers. But so needs to be the rest of your organization: I hate listening to engineers or PMs complaining about customers, and I hate even more seeing customers’ problems becoming just one of the many things listed in the backlog. It usually goes like this “If we do this for them, we will need to do that for all the other customers as well” or “This account is small, they did not pay enough for having priority support” or “If they wait until Monday it will make no difference“. That’s when I started shacking! All of that is wrong. The way you operate with small customers defines you as an organization. You know why? Because small customers become large customers and if they stay small…they talk to a lot of other small, medium and big customers.

Customer obsession is something you need to build in your culture from day 1. From the CEO to the last person in the company, everyone needs to talk to customers and be obsessed by them. And if you think your team is not acting with that principle in mind, stop everything and make it a big deal until everyone understands that customers are their #1 priority. When you do this everything else becomes easier, starting with sales and renewals. Most importantly, your customers know they are your #1 priority and they will think twice before leaving you.

Going long

Most companies require 10-15 years to get to something meaningful. You, as a founder, will spend that time to grow, grasp and finally master your product and your market. Your company will become very similar to you and so will your culture.

I have been extremely fascinated by the idea of building something that doesn’t have an expiration date. Call it IPO, exit. Nothing.

Going long allows you to always make the right decision for your customers and most importantly, for your people. It forces you to always prioritise what will make them successful and have the time to keep doing it over and over. And with that comes an operational and financial discipline in running your company that it’s difficult to build otherwise.

The aspect that I love the most about it? Having the time to really build something great, whatever it takes in terms of months or years.

It took me a while to understand that this would probably the best thing I would enjoy as an entrepreneur in my future venture. Going long.

Startup Therapy podcast

There is a podcast that has been helping me a lot in the last 12 months.

It’s made by Startups.com‘s founders, two very serial entrepreneurs who started 14+ companies (yes, amazing) in their lives and talk about all the aspects you go through as a founder and CEO. The podcast name itself is amazing: https://www.startups.com/community/startup-therapy

There are great episodes that will clearly makes sense to you if you have started a company before, it doesn’t matter of which size, venture backed or bootstrapped. Will and Ryan, the two founders, do a fantastic job describing how you feel as a founder as they describe what happened to them in several companies. Most of the times you will find yourself saying “Fuck yes!”, as they clearly have been through a lot themselves and are able to explain what to do and not to do. Not just that, for a founder it is not easy to understand that what is happening to you, it’s normal and it’s common for other people in your role as well.

If you are building a company I highly suggest this podcast. Most of the things they talk about are really things nobody will understand if not other founders, and I know how difficult it is to find support and talk to someone who has been through this before.

I was driving home tonight and I just listened to “Bouncing back from failure” that is a fantastic one!

What’s so hard about Leadership

Leadership is a never ending discovery of yourself and that comes with lot of challenges. But what I always admired the most about true leaders is how good they are at protecting their people while things are bad. 

It’s incredibly difficult to be positive, not letting your team down and be present while things are bad. Even more when you don’t believe you will be able to fix that. Your investors, a bad board meeting, that customer you were supposed to win last month, payrolls knocking at your door and so on. There are moments in your company where everything goes bad and it gets worse day by day. It’s incredibly hard to show up to your all-hands and be strong, positive, smiling. It took me years to manage myself into that and understand that be there for my people was the most important thing to do anyway.

It’s incredibly difficult to be a shield for your people.

It’s something I still need to get better at, but every time I see a founder dealing with it, it reminds me what’s really difficult about leadership and why it has such a toll on you as a person.

People to avoid while building a company

This is something I would love to tell to a younger Stefano. I recently (finally) met a great mentor who reminded me how important it is to surround yourself with the right people while building your company.

While you build your company you should ignore 3 types of advisors/mentors:

  • Corporate guys: they are top manager in a BigCo, never been entrepreneurs and never will be. Almost always useless for entrepreneurs as mentors/advisors unless they want to buy your product or invest in your seed round but even then it should be it, don’t give them control/board seats etc. They don’t understand what you deal with but they will pretend to and give you more issues than benefits.
  • The wannabe“: I met many in my journey. This is a tough one. They might present themselves as entrepreneurs but once you dive deep they will likely be involved in 34 different things at the same time, they are advisors, mentors, CEOs and talk like they have seen it all. They are always looking at a conference to attend and ideally speak at. They are building their brand and trying everything to see what works but they are usually clueless. The first rule for an entrepreneur is to focus on one and one only thing. They will waste your time and sometimes do also damages, mostly due to their inexperience, like saying things they shouldn’t about you to other people or give you (really) bad advices on how to manage your company.
  • People that are doing it for the money: the best advisors and entrepreneurs help other people because they enjoy it and love it. It’s a great way for them to give back and something that they naturally feel the need to do. Yes, they absolutely need to be compensated (don’t commit a mistake here, always pay them, mix of cash/stocks with clear expectations) but they are genuinely involved because they like you, believe in you and have really something to say. They probably don’t need your money but paying them (stocks, with vesting, is the best thing), even something small, makes a difference in your relationship. The best people in this category do something amazing for entrepreneurs: they will be there for you when you need them but they are humble enough to step back when they don’t know/understand something and they will be transparent about it.

Why a mentor is so important is something for another post 🙂

The extra mile

Credits: Mylene.Savard @Flickr

I always struggle with people that think that great and very unnatural things can be achieved by following old and tested rules, like if everybody could do that simply repeating a playbook. In Europe, we tend to think this way more than in other areas of the world, and ultimately I think the US are the ones that master this better than anybody else. While I write this I am thinking about business and entrepreneurship, but this is true in a lot of other human contexts.

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